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Political Rights Don't Exist in North Korea

An interview with Vitit Muntarbhorn, UN Special Rapporteur on the Human Rights Situation in the DPRK
By Yang Jung A, Jung Soo Hyung
[2008-01-27 21:44 ]  
¡°Although difficult, it is still possible to improve human rights in North Korea¡±

Professor Vitit Muntarbhorn, UN Special Rapporteur on the Human Rights Situation in the DPRK, visited South Korea on January 19 to conduct research for his report to be submitted to the UN Human Rights Council in March.

In an exclusive interview with DailyNK on January 24, Professor Muntarbhorn said that it is still possible to improve human rights conditions in North Korea.

However, he said, ¡°if you look at the political rights¡¯ front, it is more difficult in terms of liberalization of freedom of expression, assembly and whatever we associate with democracy because we are dealing with the epitome of a non-democratic system.¡±


Professor Muntarbhorn said, ¡°I have had reports on public executions. In fact, I had a report just a couple of weeks ago of another public execution. This is distressing news, it is against the international law.¡± Professor Muntarbhorn also said, ¡°Some really very odd laws and regulations are coming out, for example, a regulation that women under 50 years of age are not allowed to trade. That is a manifestation of the current administration¡¯s attempt to control the markets,¡±

Professor Muntarbhorn said, ¡°There is mismanagement at the top in terms of policy making as well as misallocation of resources. So much money is given to arms proliferation,¡± adding ¡°That distortion is the one I am very concerned with, and I would certainly raise it very prominently in my report.¡±

Regarding the Six Party Talks and their possible influence over the North Korean human rights issues, Professor Muntarbhorn said, ¡°We know the Six Party Talks are not primarily about human rights. We should not overload the Six Party Talks with many things. We should do well with what we said ought to be handled under the talks, which is to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula, particularly the facilities in the North. If that progresses well, there can be space for addressing other humanitarian issues.¡±

¡°For instance, there are currently various bilateral tracks which can cover and do cover some human rights related elements such as the track between DPRK and Japan, addressing possible steps to normalizing relations,¡± Professor Muntarbhorn said.

As to South Korea¡¯s upcoming government¡¯s policies on human rights in North Korea, Professor Muntarbhorn said, ¡°Humanitarian aid is seen generally as non-conditional and subject to monitoring to insure the aid gets to the target groups. Now, economic aid or development aid of a more long-term nature is open for discussion and debate as to the conditions that must be attached to the provision of such aid to whatever country. All these issues will ultimately have to be raised, discussed and decided upon by any administration including the new administration.¡±

He added, ¡°You got the reminiscence of the past you have to deal with such as the consequences of the Korean War. Today, it¡¯s been done rather in a low-key manner. So it remains to be seen what the up-coming government will do with that.¡±

Professor Muntarbhorn said that he was greatly encouraged by meeting with those North Korean defectors who have settled down successfully in South Korea. He asked the South Korean government to help North Korean defectors establish themselves in South Korea by providing more systematic and comprehensive support for defectors.
Read the full interview script

- Will there be any kind of new items or new contents included in this March report compared to your previous one? Can you give an overall ideal of what the report would look like?

Well, I give two reports per year to the United Nations. One is the General Assembly report which is submitted in October. And the other one is for Geneva previously Human Rights Commissions now Human Rights Council. So two reports per year, they are similar on several fronts. But one of them may be more detailed on general analysis and the other may have more country visits. With this upcoming one, I¡¯ve got three country visit reports. After that, I am given the space by the UN to do the general analysis. Yes, there will be new angles in the general analysis. But I would perhaps wait to do the general assembly report for October for the longer general analysis.

In my assessments and reports that I do, I usually start off by looking at constructive developments before getting into all negative stuff just to recognize something can be done even in a very difficult setting in a constructive way.

So, I would recognize for example that since august of 2007 with very serious floods, DPRK has cooperated quite well with the UN in terms of helping the UN access to counties to provide food to the needy. That is an entry point, just a fare assessment of the situation and after that a host of very negative situations.

- You¡¯ve met North Korean defectors during your visit this time. Any new perspectives or angles you have discovered?

Yes, very much. Previously, we¡¯ve met mainly with those at Hanawon. So new arrivals. Now, we have been meeting this time with those who have been here some time. They have gone out to the world to adapt to South Korean society. So it has been a great interest to us to look at these cases directly. I was encouraged by success stories. One potential success story is a young North Korean who is now going to college. He is a part of an NGO, he can do voluntary work to help others, He is well assisted by his neighbors who are other ex-North Koreans. So, he¡¯s got all these potentials to fit into the society and to be a great contributor to South Korean society.

We¡¯ve met other cases, such as torture cases and long-term stayers and so on who may need longer-term and more comprehensive supports. So, those things I will raise in my press statement. I think an individualized approach is important to understand people¡¯s different individual circumstances. It is important to highlight the positive success stories so that we can convey the image that North Koreans when they come here can be and are very contributive to South Korean society. That enables cross-cultural understanding to take place.

- You said in one of your interviews that just as the issue of Japanese abductees by North Korea is discussed within the six party talk framework, there is also a possibility to deal with inter-Korean POWs and abductee issues as well. By that, do you mean there could be a separate working level meeting within the six party talk framework? ROK has actually worked hard to raise these issues with North Korea, but every time North Korea responded with hostility. What do you see as the best approach to these issues?

We know the six party talks are not primarily about human rights. We should not overload the six party talks with many things. We should do well what we said ought to do under the six party talks, which is to denuclearize the Korean Peninsula, particularly the facilities in the North. If that progresses well, there can be humanitarian space for addressing other issues.

There are currently various bilateral tracks which can cover and do cover some human rights related elements such as the track between DPRK and Japan which covers possible steps to normalizing relations. On the one hand, it covers Japanese¡¯s past practices in the space of DPRK. On the other hand, it covers abduction. The track with the US can possibly cover a peace treaty which will have implications on human rights, and so on. Those are the complimentary channels in terms of supporting the primary channel on denuclearization. As I said early, it is a step-by step affair. It may be an incremental development but it is still important if it is done in a positive way with the backdrop of international law behind it.

- Many hope that the upcoming government will deal with North Korean human rights issues. However, the government oftentimes faces many limitations. What kind of substantial progress do you think the Korean government can actually make on this front? For instance, the US and Japan passed North Korean Human Rights Acts. Do you think similar initiatives can take place in this country?

Humanitarian aid is seen generally as non-conditional and subject to monitoring to insure the aid gets to the target groups. Now, the other element of economic aid or development aid of a longer kind is open to discussion and debate as to how much conditioning will be attached to the giving of that aid to whatever country. All these issues will ultimately have to be raised, discussed and decided upon by any administration including the new administration.

As I said early, you got a reminiscence of the past you have to deal with such as the consequences of the Korean War. Today, it¡¯s been done rather in a low-key manner. So it remains to be seen what the new coming government will do on that.

Likewise, the new government will also have to deal with issues with North Korean refugees who come here, and all those who seek protection and asylum. I would like to see more support systems for those who might be in difficulties while highlighting all success stories and ensuring a good understanding among the public that North Koreans can be very contributive to South Korean society. All these things have messages which invite policy choices of a rational kind. And the door is very open to debate on this with respective positive choices that would be decided upon. 1:28:45

- If you read our articles, you have also probably read there are many changes taking place in North Korea. With many loopholes taking place in the system, for instance, last year, many public executions have taken place. Can you comment on the latest development and changes in North Korea?

I have had reports on public executions. In fact, I had a report just a couple of weeks ago of another public execution. This is distressing news, it is against the international law. So many very grave human rights violations are taking place in the North today.

Some really very odd laws and regulations are coming out, for example, a regulation that women under 50 years of age are not allowed to trade. That is a manifestation of the current administration¡¯s attempt to control the markets. As we know, people find it very difficult to live, and so they search an opportunity to trade because the previous public distribution system, the ration, has not been working and people don¡®t get the minimum they should get in terms of ration. So they have to make do by trading, and yet they are being prevented from doing this. So a lot of people are suffering from the lack of food, necessities and so on.

There is mismanagement at the top in terms of policy making as well as misallocation of resources. So much money is given to the arms proliferation, the nuclear side. All that deprives ordinary people of the budget that should go to help them fulfill the basic necessities of their life. That distortion is the one I am very concerned with, and I would certainly raise it very prominently in my report.

- You have been working as the Special Rapporteur for North Korea for long time.
What do you think are the unique characteristics of North Korean human rights situations compared to other human rights violations in other countries?


I think we have to understand human rights situations in the political contexts. The DPRK has a very particular specific political context of a very non-open system highly controlled, very elitist, cult-based with all the consequences of this, in terms of collective punishment imposed on people, broad informant system and intimidation of people. So it is a very pervasive and stringent control exerted on people. It makes it very difficult to have any difference of opinion or to enjoy the basic civil liberties that may exist in other situations. So because of that, it makes it very difficult to improve human rights on many fronts.

Having said that, it is not impossible to engage on some fronts. For example, if it is an economic social issue such as food aid, the United Nations do engage with the DPRK in terms of humanitarian aid.

But if you look at the political rights¡¯ front, that makes it more difficult in terms of the liberalization of freedom of expression, assembly and whatever we associate with democracy because we are dealing with the ultra-situation of a non-democratic system.
 
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